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mechanism and replace it with a new one, and in this context I would like to say that
the worse that NATO's position in these two projections is and the more contradic-
tions between them, the better its relations with Russia. I dare suggest that one or two
years before NATO finally collapses to the stormy and prolonged applause Russia will
be admitted to NATO. And at that point NATO's long and colorful life will come to
an end.
Sergei Mikheev,
Director General, Center for Political Technologies:
I believe that the discussion of the possibility of Russia's integration into NATO is,
essentially, our domestic Russian story. As A. Pushkov noted, no one in the United
States takes this seriously.
In reality they are interested in very concrete things: The situation in Russia, including
the status of those political and financial groups that are linked to them.
From my perspective, this is also about the weakening of Russia - this is in fact the
actual aim. We need to integrate into NATO, integrate into Europe so let's do this,
that, and the other thing. NATO shows some internal trends for change, it may or
may not change, so let's help NATO change.
We need to integrate into it to have a better grasp on the world, to have greater prof-
its.
A. Oganesyan:
I think that all this talk about integration into NATO has absolutely
no basis; it also has no influence on our domestic political discourse. It is designed
for our domestic political situation to consolidate the supporters of this integration.
This has nothing to do with the actual picture of the world.
A. Pushkov:
I would like to sum up the debate. First, NATO membership is impos-
sible for Russia. Second, the issue of NATO is sometimes cast as though it is a key
issue of Russian modernization. Third, there is the issue of European security. We
will not have a common concept for another 15 years because their concept is NATO-
centric: They do not want D. Medvedev's collective security treaty.
We should not delude ourselves into thinking that we will be able to tear the Europeans
away. It seems to me that even if we do reach a consensus of partnership it should be
a fairly broad one. But we always have to restrain ourselves. We always have to move
forward in the hope that we will be rewarded, but that will not happen.
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